Dr. Jack Wolfson teams up with registered dietitian and self-proclaimed wellness hacker, Adrial Zahniser to discuss their social media controversy over 5 things Dr. Wolfson would never tell a patient. They discuss the vilification of high-quality foods and misinformation promoted by conventional medicine, big corporations, and big pharma. Not to be outdone, in this episode he adds 5 more things to this “controversial” list. Listen in and share this valuable information with your friends and family.

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Dr. Jack Wolfson: 10 Things I Would Never Tell A Patient As A Cardiologist

I have got Adriel Zahniser here. Adriel, welcome to the show.

Thank you for having me. I’m so excited to be here.

This is how we connected. I did a TikTok video about five things I would never say as a cardiologist, and you reposted that video or made a commentary on what they call a duet. Is that what it was?

Just a side-by-side. People don’t like these things by the way.

I liked what you did for me because you were thumbs up on myself, and again, five things that we talked about. We will break down what those five things were. We will talk about another five things as well in you sharing my commentary, which was controversial. We will talk about what those things were. Talk about controversy. What happened to you on TikTok and social media and maybe emails and people contacting you? What happened after you shared that video?

The reason I shared it is that I’m a self-proclaimed wellness hacker. I like to find easy ways that we can hack our health and make better choices for wellness, and I came across your video. It was on Instagram, so it probably flooded over from TikTok to Instagram, and then I shared it on Facebook because these five things are out-of-the-box thinking. I am a dietician, but my thinking when it comes to health and wellness is out of the box as well. We connected on our thoughts there.

I did a quick little mockup and shared it. I had over 18 million views on that one little 90-second reel. There are over 256,000 comments, and those comments were not all positive. When you do talk about things that have been ingrained into us since we are five years old in elementary school, it’s hard to accept. There’s some bashing that happened.

More than anything, people question you, and they said, “Anybody can put a stethoscope on and claim to be a doctor.” What I want to ask you is to tell us about your background as a doctor, because that’s what people didn’t like. They were like, “It’s 90 seconds. Who is this guy?” All I can say is Dr. Jack Wolfson. You have got to look him up. Can you explain one more time about your background as a doctor?

The Constitution is hanging on the wall behind you. This is all about freedom of speech and getting the information out there. As a conventionally trained dietician and as a conventionally trained cardiologist, there’s a certain dogma that they teach. If you don’t follow that and you violate their rules, then they tend to slap us down for it. They can slap you down as a dietician and say, “You are not talking about what we taught you in the food pyramid and the whole thing.” If you are condemning pharmaceuticals and procedures, they come after you.

I’m a conventionally trained cardiologist with ten years of medical training. I have been on the job for over twenty years as a board-certified cardiologist. For ten of those years, I was hospital-based. I’m working in hospitals, angiograms, pacemakers, echocardiograms, stress tests, surgeries, and all those different things that we do.

It bothers me when people are like, “Who are you and are you a real doctor?” Go look it up. Go to my website. Why are you so lazy that you cannot go look up my credentials? People can question you Adriel, “What are your certifications?” You are like, “Go to my website.” Everybody else knows how to search on Google and other search platforms.

Why are you so lazy that you cannot go look it up? You are going to ask this on TikTok. There are hundreds of thousands of comments. I may not get back to your comment. Maybe if you want to know instead of passing judgment, go take five seconds to search my name or your name to see our credentials.

That’s something I did before I shared your post. I was like, “Who is this guy?” I found Natural Heart Doctor. You have so many websites even in combination with your wife who’s a doctor of chiropractics. There’s so much information out there, so I felt confident in sharing those five tips. They are honestly five things that I follow as well personally.

I knew whatever was thrown our way, it was people with a lack of knowledge. It’s hard to accept something new when you have no knowledge base of it being true. I worked as a nutrition educator for about six years in schools teaching the food guide pyramid, my plate, and all of those kinds of things. It was tough, 3 cups of milk a day and 10 to 12 servings of grains, but we are out of that now. We all learn and we all know it now. I’m happy to be speaking with you and learning your knowledge.

It’s hard to accept something new when you have no knowledge base of it being true.

I wanted to touch on some of those five things that you talked about, if that’s cool. As we know, they were little controversy. For example, five things you would never tell your patients as a cardiologist. Number one, avoid eggs and you use the word propaganda. What do you have to say about that when it comes to eggs? Personally, I eat them probably every day.

Eggs are a cocoon for a baby chicken. It contains everything that a chicken needs to come to life. All the vitamins, minerals, proteins, and fats. Everything that’s essential is inside of there, so why would we think that we should not eat that? All animals in the wild, when they come across somebody else’s eggs, will eat those eggs.

If you take your dog and feed your dog eggs, especially if they are trained that way, and again, they are not eating kibbles and bits and some poison that makes dogs sick. If we feed the dogs the eggs, the results are spectacular. Eggs, it turns out, raise HDL, which is commonly thought of as good cholesterol. What it does to LDL, which is mislabeled and propaganda-wise, is they call that the bad cholesterol. That’s just pure pharmaceutical speak.

When you eat eggs, it takes the LDLs from the small dents and makes some large fluffy, and that’s the benefit there. Eggs also lower triglycerides. Eggs are fantastic for inflammation and oxidative stress because you are giving your body all the nutrients that it needs. Cardiologists are not trained in nutrition. They are trained in pharmaceuticals and procedures. They know nothing about eggs.

Cholesterol from eggs means nothing as far as the cholesterol in our body, but again, cholesterol is very important, which is why eggs contain cholesterol. That’s how a chicken comes to life by eating the cholesterol. Circling back to the food pyramid, when you look at that, you see that the grain category, which contains oatmeal and other toxins, is bigger than the vegetable category.

What planet of delusion are these people coming from the obvious influence of industry? Big box Kellogg’s, Nabisco, Quaker Oats, and big agriculture, its influence in the creating of the food pyramid. It’s diabolical how they did that to people for the last many years and think about all the death and destruction from that.

Your number three was to eat oatmeal. There were 100,000 comments on that. People put up their nukes when you say oatmeal maybe isn’t the best idea for a breakfast.

Humans never ate oats. Humans are hunter-gatherers. They hunted animal foods and seafood. They gathered things like eggs, avocados, coconuts, vegetables, fruits, other nuts, and seeds. They never gathered oatmeal and they never tainted it, boiled it, processed it, and put it into a box. They never ate that. It’s pure industry propaganda from the Quaker Oats corporation.

I tell this story about a friend of mine from growing up. His father worked for Quaker Oats. He retired at the age of 47. I’m 52 in 2023, which means I would have retired a few years ago if I was this guy. He never had to work a day in his life because he made so much money and all the stock and stuff like that at Quaker Oats, and then again, how Quaker Oats and other big box industries in bed with the government and their guidelines that are all written by industry.

Where would people possibly think that they should be eating oatmeal? I love to say this too. If you want all the fiber and all the alleged benefits of eating oatmeal, just eat the box. The cardboard box has no caloric value to it whatsoever, but it binds. If you want to eat oatmeal and lower your cholesterol, the box would have a lot of fiber and bind up a lot of the cholesterol that is so critical that your body wants to reabsorb to reutilize because of all the energy needed to create the cholesterol and how beneficial it is. It wants to reabsorb all those bile acids. If you want to prevent the body from reabsorbing all those nutrients and therefore, becoming deficient in those nutrients and a lot of fat-soluble vitamins, just eat the box because it will bind up those things as well.

That’s number 1 of 5 for your new pieces of advice. Just eat the box if you are going to eat something that’s packaged.

You saw all that blowback as well. It’s like insulting a child or someone’s religion when you condemn oatmeal. It’s like, “I have been eating this for the last many years. It’s garbage and it’s all based on a pyramid of lies.”

Many of them say, “I love oatmeal.” Are we working to better our health or are we not? They will say, “My cardiologist told me to eat oatmeal. This is what they instructed me to do because I have high cholesterol.” It’s hard to combat it as a dietician and even a doctor doesn’t follow the guidelines put out by the board.

When doctors are still in this present day sending that piece of advice to their patients, they are not going to listen to somebody on Facebook that for 90 seconds telling them it’s different, and that’s where research comes into play. That’s when they look up who you are and what you have done because as a doctor, they don’t get training in nutrition. How much nutrition training do you feel you got when you were going through school?

This is well-documented. Even Harvard Medical School has done studies. The doctors coming out of Harvard Medical School get very little knowledge and the order of hours regarding nutrition. It’s all based on the nutrition propaganda that they would give you. It’s not on common sense hunter-gatherer nutrition, that anthropologists, paleontologists, and explorers have enjoyed.

I love watching TV shows like Alone, Naked and Afraid, and Survivor because you are seeing how people lived in the environment as our ancestors did since the dawn of human existence. They are not getting bowls of oatmeal and they are not getting bags of walnuts and pecans. They are hunter-gatherers. If you don’t learn how to hunt and gather quickly free-range grass-fed meats, wild seafood, eggs, avocados, coconuts, vegetables, and fruits, you are going to die very quickly.

Also, insects for that matter. Those people ate a lot of insects as well, which is not in the food pyramid and not what people are promoting these days, but just what our ancestors did. It’s a common-sense approach that mainstreams medical and dietetics totally missed. That’s the beauty again of the Constitution behind you, free speech. We are going to get this information out there. We are going to talk about common sense and we are going to talk about also what’s in the medical literature. The strategies that you and I are promoting are right out of the medical literature.

I will breeze through those last five and then you might have five more pieces of advice that you might want to share with the world. In the original reel, we talked about avoiding eggs. We have already touched on that. Stop drinking coffee. You would never tell a patient as a cardiologist to stop drinking coffee. People weren’t too sure about that either.

I drink coffee every day. A lot of what I promote is how you can make your coffee work for you. It can be a very functional liquid. It can be very supportive and nutritional depending on where the coffee beans are coming from and how they can affect your health in a positive way. If you are not a black coffee drinker, if you feel that you need to add something to it in terms of cream or something along those lines, it’s choosing the right option for that.

Personally, I put butter in my coffee. It’s cream and maybe salt, but those are the only two ingredients that the butter would be made from. Coffee is an amazing liquid gold. I have your coffee here. I love this mug. I love a big fat mug. I got this in the mail as a thank you to say, “What’s up?” Your coffee is awesome too. It’s smooth almost to where you don’t even need to add cream if you are usually a creamy coffee drinker. The flavor of it’s great. Is there anything you wanted to add about coffee?

Thank you for the promotion of Cardiology Coffee. If you look at the bottom of that mug, you can see the symbol there. It says Made in the USA. I sourced out the mugs that don’t leach contaminants. Those are third-party tested for cadmium, lead, and other contaminants in mugs that come from China and stuff like that.

That was very important to me to make sure that I was drinking something that was healthy and that I would promote it. Now, they are much more expensive to buy those mugs, but I didn’t care because I believe we should invest in our health and I know that you agree with that. I also want to make a comment too. You mentioned butter and the only thing inside of butter is cream and salt.

How many people know that butter comes from cream? The more you churn the cream, that’s how you make butter. How many people know that even as they are using butter? probably 1 out of 100 people know that butter comes from cream. Knowing your food and where your food comes from and how people have lost that in their lives.

It’s like knowing where your coffee comes from. Is your coffee organic or is it pesticide coffee? Does your coffee contain mold mycotoxins or does it not contain mold mycotoxins and other contaminants? That’s what we did when we created Cardiology Coffee. I created it because I wanted people to understand the nutritional value of coffee. As I look through the medical literature, I saw all the things that show that there’s data that coffee drinkers live longer and they have less cancer and brain disease. Coffee drinkers have fewer heart attacks.

Women who drink coffee after a heart attack have a lower risk of dying over X many years. Coffee drinkers have less atrial fibrillation and better blood pressure. As you look at the literature, that’s on garbage coffee. That’s on people who drink McDonald’s and Starbucks, let alone if you are drinking the good stuff. Could coffee be medicine? Could it be better than medicine? The answer is yes, and that’s why I talked about it.

It’s very controversial because cardiologists who know nothing about the literature regarding coffee blanketly tell people to drink coffee. Now, they go to drink coffee. They go to Starbucks. They do all the things that cardiologists do, but they tell you not to drink it so they make you miserable. They make you void of all of these nutrients and all the benefits of coffee while they have no understanding of the benefits.

That’s where people like you and I come in and we talk about, “Let’s talk about this study. Let’s talk about the vitamins, minerals, and antioxidants that are inside a coffee.” It’s a healthy choice compared to whatever else they would be telling us to drink like some artificial crap. They would tell us probably to drink Diet Coke as opposed to organic coffee.

That does happen. You need a caffeine kick. Just go for Diet Coke. I was in the store looking at a cream option just to have a heavy cream. Even the organic heavy creams have all kinds of binders, preservatives, and things like that. That’s why I’m like, “Just go for the butter.” You can find butter anywhere. Even cultured butter is cream and just all. Put a couple of chunks of it in your coffee and people’s minds explode because they can’t associate the two. Butter goes on bread. Butter is made from cream. It’s made from the good stuff. I appreciated that one.

I know you guys are based in Florida. What are the laws down there regarding raw dairy in the state of Florida?

It can only be sold for pet consumption, never for human consumption.

We got to organize the campaign in the state of Florida and bring back raw dairy. I know Congressman Tom Massie out of Kentucky has been a big raw dairy advocate. Getting rid of raw dairy is all propaganda. Our ancestors drank raw dairy. Little babies are breastfed on raw milk from mama and they are not getting sick.

When you take healthy animals and you get raw dairy from them, that’s the penultimate solution. It’s not Paleolithic food. Our ancestors did not go after other animals, milk them, and make cream, butter, and yogurt. There’s nutritional value in those things. Most people tolerate raw dairy very well. In doing that, compared to conventional dairy, the pasteurized, homogenized, and all the hormones are injected into the animals.

Not only are the animals fed GMO foods and therefore taking all the toxins, but also the grain that the animals are fed is all moldy as well. That’s a huge problem in the animal industry. The mold-contaminated grains that they are eating get into the flesh of the animal and then, to us. It’s a catastrophic problem.

I would encourage people to look up local Facebook groups. There’s a lot of our local community and they all ask, “Where do we buy raw dairy?” We know the three stores in our area where you can go to buy it for your pet. You never say it’s for yourself, but it’s there. They make butter out of it. They have cream and that’s about it. Some of them might make cheese, but you are getting raw dairy and it’s so much better. The flavor profile of it is so much more intense than like bottled 2% milk of conventional milk.

All the vitamins, minerals, fats, and proteins that’s all inside there. The literature supports the use of that. You get big industry incorporations, whether it’s Horizon, Aurora, or some of these big conglomerates that want to control the industry. They don’t want you drinking the good stuff. They want you to drink the stuff that sits on the shelf for 2 to 6 months, and they control the politicians who make the laws.

We have to go to the people. We have to have the people complain. We have the people talk to their local congresspeople and their local senators and governors and tell people, “Raw dairy is healthy for the populace.” We need to make them understand it’s healthy for them and for their families.

Raw dairy is healthy for the populace.

Congressman Tom Massie knew that it was important for him, his wife, and his children. In order to consume these types of foods, therefore he got into a position of power and tries to change the legislation. If we can make the politicians who are humans like the rest of us, at least some of the good ones, if we can make those humans understand the benefits, for themselves, for the family, and for the people in general, and how we reduce healthcare expenditure and we reduce the sickness of what’s going on, that’s where it starts. Let’s take it to the streets.

We are going to finish off these five and then I’m going to have you run through five new ones and we are going to leave it at that. We are going to let people squirm. Hopefully, we can do some follow-ups in the future to touch base and expand on those. As a reflection, five things you would never tell your patients as a cardiologist are to avoid eggs, stop drinking coffee, eat oatmeal, and go low-fat. That’s a big one for me.

I did about ten years of low-fat eating and had all the issues that I’m still trying to fix, and that was my ten years as a dietician, unfortunately. Five is to see a traditional doctor who’s not looking for the root cause. You want to look for the root cause. That’s how you cure things. That’s how you get back your health and regain wellness. Those are your five. What are you going to leave us with for five additional items that you would never tell as a cardiologist?

One as a cardiologist, I would never tell people to go vegan. Vegan is a total deprivation diet, a starvation diet. It takes you into the low-fat arena, which is highly problematic for your brain and your entire body. We need those essential fatty acids. Vegan is totally contrary to human existence. Humans were hunter-gatherers. They hunted and they gathered and comes before gathered.

You can look at the explorers. Look at the paleontologists and anthropologists either work of Weston A. Price. You can look at modern-day TV shows where these are hunter-gatherers. If you are a vegan and you wind up Alone or Naked and Afraid, you are going to switch over, tap out of the show, or die. No one’s giving you bags of oatmeal, walnuts, and flax seeds.

You can’t get omega-3, DHA, and EPA which come from eating seafood. Those people live the longest. They live the best brain health and stuff like that. Going vegan is horrible advice from a cardiologist. I would never ever say it. Number two, I would never tell people to avoid the sun. The sun is the source of life. The sun provides vitamin D. It helps to make nitric oxide. It helps to increase melatonin.

Our skin is a solar panel. It’s built to be in the sun. If any idiot tries to tell you to avoid the sunshine, again, avoid those people because they have no idea what they are doing and what they are talking about. It all works together inside of eat well, live well, and think well. Inside of live well is the sunshine. When you eat the right foods, live the right lifestyle, and think the right thoughts, the sun is beneficial. When I used to go on vacation out of Chicago down to your neck of the woods into Florida and get sunburnt, that was bad. Sunshine is good and sunburn is bad.

Number three, as a cardiologist, I would never tell people to take statin drugs. Inhibit the enzyme, HMG-CoA Reductase. We need that enzyme. That’s why we are built with that. That’s why other animals are built with that enzyme, and when you inhibit it, you are going to ask for trouble because you don’t make CoQ10.

All these things are necessary for mitochondrial function. Cholesterol is necessary for life. If you are not making cholesterol, how do you make vitamin D and hormones? There are many problems when you take a statin drug. It’s not addressing the cause. It does lower numbers down, but you don’t care about lowering your numbers down.

You want to know, does taking a statin drug make me live longer or live better? The answer in most cases is no. In a study from 2017 on people aged 65 and older primary prevention, more people died in the statin drug group. Statins are pure propaganda and it’s the number one selling class of pharmaceuticals of all time. Lipitor is the number one revenue-generating drug of all time, and it’s a total sham. Unfortunately, people are victims of that.

Number four, never tell people to take aspirin. Again, check with your doctor. I’m not telling you to stop pharmaceuticals. Freedom of speech, ask questions, do your own research, get on the internet, and learn. It’s all right there. Number five, I would never tell people to get a CT scan looking for coronary artery disease.

CT scans are radiation. Radiation causes heart disease, cancer, and brain disease. Why would I recommend you get a CT scan for prevention? Let’s assume you have got coronary artery disease. What are we going to do about it? Eat well, live well, and think well. Test, don’t guess. Evidence-based supplements, and biohacking strategies, that’s the path to the 100-year-heart.

Let it rip. We will see what happens from those five. I can already see the comments going wild.

This is a time of telling the truth. Some people may not like the truth and they may try and suppress the truth, but share this information with your family. Share this information with your friends. That’s how things are going to change. If you are someone who’s sitting back and you are afraid to make commentary, to share, and of what other people are going to think, you are ruining it. You are ruining the planet for the children, for the animals, and for the humans. Now is the time to exercise that God-given right of freedom of speech. Speak your truth and that’s how we are going to do it.

Adriel, I appreciate you so much for speaking the truth, getting the information out there, and helping me get my message out there. You are doing some fantastic stuff on your social media channels. Everybody out there, make sure you connect with Adriel. Watch what she’s doing because she’s one of the good people out there promoting health and wellness, and together, we are going to win. That’s all there is to it.

Thank you so much. It was great to speak with you. I love learning.

Thank you so much. That’s another episode of the show, everyone. We will see you next time.

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About Dr. Jack Wolfson

Jack Wolfson D.O., F.A.C.C., is a board-certified cardiologist who uses nutrition, lifestyle, and supplements to prevent and treat heart disease. He completed a 4-year medical degree, 3-year internal medicine residency and, 3-year cardiology fellowship. He served as the Chief Fellow of his cardiology program, managing all of the other cardiology trainees.

Dr. Wolfson then joined the largest cardiology group in the state of Arizona and spent 10 years as a hospital-based cardiologist performing angiograms, pacemakers, and other cardiac procedures. He was the Chairman of Medicine, Director of Cardiology and, Director of Cardiac Rehabilitation.

He was selected by his peers as one of the Arizona “Top Docs” in 2011.

In 2012, Dr. Wolfson founded Natural Heart Doctor to offer patients the ultimate in holistic heart care. People worldwide consult with Dr. Wolfson, traveling to Arizona or virtually for natural heart care.

Dr. Wolfson has appeared on every major news station and major newspaper along with hundreds of appearances at live events, podcasts, and online interviews. He has taught medical doctors and practitioners from all over the world.

Dr. Wolfson was recognized as one of the Top 50 Holistic Medical Practitioners.

The Paleo Cardiologist, The Natural Way to Heart Health is the first book by Dr. Wolfson and is an Amazon best-seller. He is also a contributing author to The Textbook of Integrative Cardiology.

About Adriel Zahniser

Adriel Zahniser is a registered dietitian and self-proclaimed wellness hacker. She is most active on her Facebook and YouTube channels where she shares tips and tricks for better health that are approachable and reasonable. After graduating from Johnson and Wales University, Adriel worked in the food and nutrition industry for decades.

She honed her experience in multiple kitchens as an executive chef, taught in the classroom as a nutrition educator, crossed over to manufacturing/management, and now helps many as a wellness advocate in the e-commerce and social sharing spaces. Adriel’s latest project is the #breakfreeproject where she aims to help others gain financial freedom through entrepreneurship and enriched health with a few simple steps. Find Adriel on her socials and follow Liberty Loaded Wellness on YouTube to stay connected.